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In Defense of Financial Advisor Fees

August 28, 2023 by Joe Saul-Sehy 20 Comments

I was a fee hater.

Like a younger, more handsome John Bogle, I would rail on fees. I’d stand on every rooftop screaming about avoiding fees at all cost.

For this reason, when I was a financial advisor, I provided what I thought was top-notch service and undercharged for it every day.

How much did I charge? My minimum fee was $500 per year.

Undercharged? There is no such thing, Joe! Less fees = better. Duh! You should have charged $300!

Think so, do you? Sit close, young padewan, while Uncle Joe tells you a story:

My Experience With Fees

Early in my career I lucked into the opportunity to give speeches on behalf of one of the top advisors in the country. I’d fly wherever he wished and spoke to rooms full of people about good planning. In exchange, he allowed me to move my offices into his suite.

Awesome! What a break for a new advisor; I’d get to see the inner workings of a well-honed operation and maybe glean some tips.

At first I was disappointed. All I saw was what looked like a cookie-cutter assembly line of advice and deliverables. Many clients received offshoots of similar advice. The firm never stuck their neck out. They avoided complex situations at all cost.

That lead me to believe that he was among the best in the country only because he could “sell” people on ways he’d jack up their fees.

…and jack he did. I rarely saw him charge less than $2,500 for planning, then garner asset management fees on top of that. He was a fee-based selling machine.

One day the operations manager and I were talking. I asked a polite question about how redundant their process management workflow seemed. To give you an idea of what I thought about this guy: I’m sure the term “cocky smartass” wouldn’t be far off the mark.

He said, “Have you noticed that we charge five times what you charge?”

I smiled. “Yes.” What a loser. I could never charge what they did! They were just leeches, skimming off of their client’s blood.

He said, “We charge five times more because we’re five times better than you.”

I took it personally.

I shouldn’t have.

Three months later, we were in agreement:

he was five times better than me.

Why He Was Better

This planner was so good, I’d worked right under his nose and hadn’t noticed his skill. The systems were sublime. Where I’d seen cookie-cutter assembly lines before, now I saw a brilliant asset allocation arrangement. Where I’d believed he was charging excess dollars to put boring plans in place, he was dotting every “I” and crossing every “T” for clients…mostly doing the boring stuff that usually was swept under the rug.

In short, he had a proven system of asset management and plan building. If you wanted that service, he covered his costs with his fees. If you didn’t want it, you should probably look elsewhere.

He didn’t try to be everything to everyone.

What You Can Learn

You don’t have to pay $2,500 or more to some advisor if you’re willing to perform the critical tasks that this advisor captained for his clients:

1) Design a plan that covers the six areas of financial planning and rigorously maintain the plan according to a set schedule. Make sure everyone involved is up-to-speed with the details.

2) Build a system to check and maintain your assets against your plan. He had systems in place to notify him when assets deviated too much from the plan. Build your own set of alarms.

3) Carefully guard against taxes and excess fees. This seems like an oxymoron, because this advisor charged a ton of money, but his fees were largely performance based. To increase his fees (and his client’s net worth) he had to ensure the plan was a lean-mean-return-gathering-machine. The only way to do that was to develop a comprehensive tax strategy (example: tax efficient investments outside of IRAs while tax-eaters inside shelters) and low-cost investments.

4) Scour insurances for opportunities. This advisor would review all of his client’s insurances regularly (every two years) to find wasted money. He’d also use insurances wisely to plug holes. One place he nearly always recommended: disability coverage.

5) Build legacies. He was the adamant that everyone either had a family or charitable organization they’d want to have flourish if they couldn’t use their own money. He’d make sure that the estate plan was air-tight and (as with insurance) review these plans every two years.

6) Set communication systems. Clients received a newsletter every six weeks. There was a conference call scheduled for two quarters of the year, along with two face to face meetings. Generally, the face to face meetings were comprehensive and the phone calls were “just checking up.” While he “allowed” only one member of a marriage to take part in phone calls, he was adamant that both spouses attend meetings. He’d become especially irate if one didn’t understand finances and didn’t want to participate. His thinking: if the knowledgeable spouse passed away, the other was screwed.

He also wasn’t afraid to call every client when markets imploded. During the 2002 and 2008 crisis, his whole team was on the phone non-stop, sharing information and passing along strategies. Usually, he wasn’t changing course, because his asset allocation model was already designed to weather downturns. However, clients loved hearing from him.

Was some of this overkill? Maybe. Often insurance and estate planning needs didn’t change. However, when something did, the advisor was on top of it fairly quickly.

It’s a Choice

During my 16 years as an advisor, there were many clients who refused to pay fees even though they would have been far better off had they paid this advisor. It’s fine to accomplish your financial goals without an advisor (in fact, if you’re willing to complete the six steps above, I’d recommend it). But if you decide not to, make sure you’ve designed systems for success and aren’t just being cheap.

Financial planning is just one example. Are there areas of your life where you’d be better off paying a fee and you just can’t do it? Are you cheap?

(Photo credit: Hands Clenching Dollars, Muffett, Flickr; Couple and Advisor, Jerry Bunkers, Flickr)

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Joe is a former financial advisor and media representative for American Express and Ameriprise. He was the “Money Man” at Detroit television WXYZ-TV, appearing twice weekly. He’s also appeared in Bride, Best Life, and Child magazines, the Los Angeles Times, Chicago Sun-Times, Detroit News and Baltimore Sun newspapers and numerous other media outlets.  Joe holds B.A Degrees from The Citadel and Michigan State University.

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Filed Under: Hiring Advisors, money management, Planning, successful investing Tagged With: advisor fees, Assembly line, Asset, Fee (remuneration), Financial adviser, financial planner fees, financial planning fees, Financial services, Insurance, John Bogle, what do advisors charge

Lower Your Homeowners Insurance Costs by Getting a CLUE

September 12, 2013 by Joe Saul-Sehy 2 Comments

Scoring a CLUE report might help you avoid nasty surprises with your homeowners coverage.

The majority of homeowners do not have a clue when it comes to the insurance industry database known as CLUE, despite the fact that this computerized tracking system can significantly impact their insurance premiums. If your property becomes red flagged within the system, for example, you may see your rates skyrocket for no apparent reason.

What is CLUE?

The Comprehensive Loss Underwriting Exchange is essentially a vast computer database that keeps track of insurance claims for properties all over the United States. Insurance companies who pay a fee to subscribe to CLUE are provided with up-to-date reports related to information about damage to properties or insurance claims to pay for repairs. Those insurers can then use that data to help them make decisions about who to insure, how much to charge for insurance, and so forth. CLUE also offers similar services to track auto insurance information.

Your Home’s Track Record

In a way, CLUE is kind of like a credit reporting agency. Each of us has a credit history, or should, and credit bureaus keep track of that history by filling our confidential files with information pertaining to things like income, our ability to repay loans on time, and how much debt we carry. When you apply for credit the lender will analyze your credit report and decide whether or not to lend to you. Similarly, insurance companies rely on CLUE to help them manage their risks when issuing homeowner’s or auto insurance policies. There are no laws that prohibit this kind of reporting and it is perfectly legal for insurers to use the data for underwriting or rating purposes.

What’s in a CLUE Property Report

Your home’s CLUE report will contain information like the name on your homeowner’s policy and a description of the home that’s insured. Beyond that basic data, however, it also shows claim information. If you filed a claim after a tree fell on your house during a hurricane, for instance, the CLUE report will probably show the date you filed your claim and how much the insurance company paid you to cover your losses. CLUE maintains those kinds of records for up to seven years. The insurance company will check your CLUE report when you apply for insurance and if they find you have multiple expensive claims, they may be reluctant to insure your home or even raise your premiums.

Nightmare Scenarios

About 10 years ago, when the use of CLUE was gaining widespread acceptance and popularity within the insurance industry, several news outlets reported on some of the more harrowing CLUE-related homeowner experiences. One couple said they bought a home, for example, and two months later their homeowner’s insurance premiums rose by more than $200. The insurance company explained that, three years prior to purchasing the property, there was a claim against it, and based on that claim the premium had been adjusted upward. Before long, the insurance company dumped them and cancelled the policy.

Negative Impact Even without Filing Claims

Other consumers said they wound up in the database even though they never filed a claim. Some homeowners told their insurance agents that there was damage to their home after vandalism or an accident, but that they were going to pay for the repairs out of pocket instead of filing an official claim. Just because they shared that information with the insurer, however, the damage report went into their CLUE report. One homeowner said that after he paid for flood damage himself – but told his insurance company about the incident – they cancelled his policy. That was despite the fact that he never filed a claim in 30 years as a loyal customer.

Access to Your CLUE Report

The bottom line is that if you own a home, it’s a good idea to obtain a copy of your CLUE report and scan it for errors that could impact your insurance. If you are planning to buy a home, you may want to ask the seller to show you a copy of a recent CLUE report, just to make sure you aren’t buying a property that could have exceptionally high insurance costs. CLUE reports are, incidentally, protected by the Fair Credit Reporting Act and can only be accessed by the owner or lender for the property.

To receive your report, call toll free at 1-866-312-8076 or visit the website personalreports.lexisnexis.com, and request it. Should you discover any mistakes or discrepancies, you can report them directly to LexisNexis – the company that now operates CLUE. They will be obligated to get in touch with your insurance company, investigate your complaint, and notify you of the results of their inquiry within 30 days. You also have the right to submit an explanation in writing – basically telling your side of the story – so that LexisNexis can include that statement in future CLUE reports.

Tom Kerr writes for CompareWallet.com in addition to others. He has been an avid writer for years, even winning awards for work he’s done.

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Joe is a former financial advisor and media representative for American Express and Ameriprise. He was the “Money Man” at Detroit television WXYZ-TV, appearing twice weekly. He’s also appeared in Bride, Best Life, and Child magazines, the Los Angeles Times, Chicago Sun-Times, Detroit News and Baltimore Sun newspapers and numerous other media outlets.  Joe holds B.A Degrees from The Citadel and Michigan State University.

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Three Steps to an Iron-Clad Protection Plan

April 18, 2013 by The Other Guy 11 Comments

“No one knows the day or the hour…”

Unfortunately, that phrase is so true.  We here in the O.G. house, along with the whole FFA crew, join those across the world in thinking about (dare I say ‘praying for’) those impacted by the terrorism in Boston, the terrible storms in the Midwest, and the explosion in Texas.  The phrase “when it rains, it pours” comes to mind.

These recent events have encouraged me–nay, they’ve compelled me, to write another bit about protection planning.  There are three crucial pieces to a well-designed protection plan and collectively, they are the single most important part of your overall financial plan.  I don’t care what funds you use, what your company 401(k) match is, or even how many pre-IPO shares of Google you own – without an adequate protection plan in place, you have nothing.

Are you worried about your protection strategy? Here are three steps to an iron-clad protection plan.

 

Step 1:  Forget the 6 months notion – head right to 12 months of cash

 

Many financial professionals suggest three to six months worth of expenses in a cash reserve position.  That’s baloney.  If you were sick or injured, would you want to be counting backwards from 90 until you run out of money?  I didn’t think so.  Skip three months and six and head right to 12 months of lifestyle-sustaining cash reserve, especially if you work for yourself or in an unstable industry…and what industry ISN’T unstable these days?  This will take some work to figure out, because it’s not just your annual salary, but rather what you need to sustain your lifestyle for the next 12 months.  We’ve discussed saving in a Roth IRA as a dual-purpose account HERE if that suits you better.

Why do you need so much in cash?

First of all, what exactly is “so much” anyway?  Obviously, “so much” is a relative and personal term – I have one client who “only” has $90,000 in his savings.  That’s on top of the “nearly empty” checking account with $55,000 in it.  Oh, and he spends $60,000 a year  – 100% covered by his pension.  Cash is king.  It allows you to negotiate (doctors have different “cash” prices – as do other businesses) and is easily accessible.  The last thing you want in an emergency is to be floating credit card balances while your insurance company decides how and when they’re going to pay.  Get emergency cash now.  Make a plan and do it.

 

Step 2:  Buy disability insurance beyond what your company provides

 

This is an increased cost, no doubt, but who among us could live on less than 50% of your current income?  I know things around here would get a little tight, for sure!  Remember what I said a few minutes ago about “lifestyle-sustaining” income?  If something tragic happens, should that mean that your kids can’t play soccer anymore?  What about dance class?  If you’re no longer able to work for the rest of your life, do you think you should continue to build up a retirement nest-egg?  Disability coverage only usually pays until age 65!  Then what will you do?

It’s usually best to find your own outside coverage in addition to what your employer provides.  Group coverage will be 100% taxable when you receive it.  Coverage paid for entirely by you is 100% tax-free.

Take this example:

Let’s say you make $80,000 a year as an electrical engineer.  You have group disability of 60% that kicks in after you’ve exhausted all your vacation and sick time.  Sixty-percent of $80,000 is $48,000, right?  Now, let’s subtract 25% for taxes, so that leaves you with $36,000, or roughly $3,000 a month.  You were making $5,000 a month after tax.  Can you today cut two grand out of your household budget?  No?  I didn’t think so.  Everyone’s cost may be different, but let’s say a disability policy that pays you $2,000/mo DI costs $150/mo.  That’s $1,800 a year…is it worth it?  Let’s put it another way:  Your boss says, “Hey Jimmy, we’re going to cut your salary from $80,000 to $78,200 from now on, but if you even get sick or can’t work ‘cause you’re too hurt, you’ll get all your pay until you retire.”  What would you think? I think you’d take that plan.

Go, right now, do not pass go, do not collect $200, go now and acquire an disability application.  Fill said application out and send in the first month’s premium.  Do it now.

 

Step 3:  Buy a gazillion dollars of life insurance.

 

I won’t spend a ton of time on this – we’ve discussed this many times before….but whatever you think you need for life insurance, double it…then double it again.  Too many people buy only a minimal amount of life insurance. If people rely on you for money now or in the near future, go online to a life insurance wholesale shop (if you can’t think of any, in the US, google “buy life insurance”…there are a lot of interesting blogs about life insurance. If you are based in UK, then I recommend reading this blog for latest news and updates related to life insurance.) and purchase a policy.  Twenty or thirty years should do it and the policy had better have lots of zeros (at least 6) and a number bigger than 1 at the beginning.  Does that sound like too much coverage? If you ask any financial planner who’s had a client die–who’s had the unfortunate task of delivering a life insurance check to a widow or survivor–they all know that the survivor nearly always says the same thing: “Is that it?  How am I supposed to make it on that?”

If you want to get technical, read this to figure out how much you’ll need.

I hate that these evil and terribly tragic things happen.  I, in no way shape or form, can justify them or even begin to make sense of them.  In the days and weeks ahead, we’ll hear from the culprits and it still won’t make sense.  What I do know is this:  We cannot ever predict the future.  We can only have a plan on the shelf to execute once tomorrow is here.

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So You Want to Manage Your Own Money?

September 4, 2012 by Joe Saul-Sehy 29 Comments

A friend texted me this morning.

“We should talk soon. Julie is coming around to the idea of us managing our own money.”

It seems easy, right? My initial reaction to my friend was, “That’s awesome!” because it is. There are few things more satisfying than achieving your financial dreams and knowing that you climbed the money management mountain yourself.

No “money-god” came down and did it for you.

You didn’t need the Powerball numbers.

You actually plotted a financial course and landed safely at your destination.

For my friend, and for you if you’re about to embark on this journey, there’s good news and bad news: the good news is that it isn’t difficult to manage your own money.

The bad news is that to effectively manage your own money you’ll need to be ready to face some fairly difficult tasks.

 

Two Types of People

 

When I was a professional advisor, I’d meet some smart people who wanted to jump into their own money management and wanted an expert with an opinion to look over their shoulder, hold them accountable, and make sure they didn’t miss any “I” dotting or “T” crossing.

…and then there were other, often equally-smart people who wanted to hand it over to me and have someone else take care of it for them.

Believe it or not, most advisors I knew preferred the latter type of client and loathed the first one. Someone questioning their motives? Someone asking “why are we doing it this way?” all the time? That’s preposterous!

But if you’re going to ever learn how to manage your own money, you’ll need to be the first type, not the latter.

The steps aren’t difficult:

 

The Steps to Managing Your Own Money

 

My kids are reading myths in school. In the story of Hercules, he faces a series of challenges to achieve is goal.

I look remarkably like the guy on top, but I’m a little paler and not quite as naked. And I have less hair.

You’ll have a series of gauntlets in your way too, if you want to manage your own money.

1) Write out your goals. I’m not talking about writing:

Retirement

College

New Boat

Fall Deeper in Love

Real goal writing has a specific time, dollar amount and vision attached.

I want to be able to live on $65,000 per year (in today’s dollars) by age 65 without having to work every day. With this money I’d like to: (here you write your bucket list, which should include visiting every NASCAR track in the country).

That’s a goal you can shoot for and be excited about (except for visiting the track at Pocono, which I thought was pretty overrated).

2) Next, you write out all the hurdles in your way.

– I have $25,000 in credit card debt (separate by interest rate, term, amount)

– I have to put two children through college

– I know nothing about money management

3) Then, you find one of the nearly bazillion financial calculators online (you can use our powerful little PlanWise calculator here on the site!) and figure out how much you need to save to reach your goal.

– I need to save $250 per month to reach my dream if I achieve an 8% return.

Armed with your money management return information, now you figure out how to come up with $250 per month.

– Tweak your budget

– Pay down debt

– Take on more work

4) Before investing, though, you have a big problem. You have to insure yourself against some of the huge “what if’s” out there for you and your family:

What if you die?

What if you are disabled?

What if you have a car accident?

You’ll need to create a will and evaluate insurances.

5) Finally, you begin the heavy task of research to find investments that have historically achieved 8%.

 

No Step is Difficult, You Just Shouldn’t Miss One

 

As you can see, when you take on the hard task and decide to manage your own money, getting it right will be difficult. Each area demands time and energy:

– Planning, milestones and tracking

– Budget, income advancement and debt reduction

– Insurance need projection and comparison analysis

– Estate planning

– Investment allocation, picking and monitoring

These are five basic money management steps, but each packs a punch!

 

I Don’t Mean To Imply You Can’t Do It

 

As soon as I finish this piece I’m calling my buddy and talking him through these points. Before he takes on the task, he should know how long the financial security road really is. Going in with your eyes wide open is half the battle if you plan to win the “manage your own money” game.

He can do it, and so can you!

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Joe is a former financial advisor and media representative for American Express and Ameriprise. He was the “Money Man” at Detroit television WXYZ-TV, appearing twice weekly. He’s also appeared in Bride, Best Life, and Child magazines, the Los Angeles Times, Chicago Sun-Times, Detroit News and Baltimore Sun newspapers and numerous other media outlets.  Joe holds B.A Degrees from The Citadel and Michigan State University.

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2 Guys & Your Money Episode #007: Jeff Rose Interview – The Life Insurance Movement

August 20, 2012 by Joe Saul-Sehy 6 Comments

Nearly as suave as some other 007 you may know, this episode features the one, the only: Jeff Rose from GoodFinancialCents.com. He’s leading the tsunami of financial posts coming your way Wednesday, as the Life Insurance Movement roars across the blogosphere. Jeff talks about the movement, why life insurance, and common misconceptions, tricks and tips around life insurance policies.

OG & Average Joe discuss Roshawn Watson’s post on poverty at RoshawnWatson.com. What does it mean to be poor in America?

PK from DQYDJ.NET wonders if people with more money have more leisure. You might be surprised by his findings.

We give away Dave Ramsey’s book the Total Money Makeover by answering a simple audio quiz. Who is the person in the audio segment (hint: it’s a current or former person on the show).

And, of course, we can’t forget the roundtable team of Len Penzo, Dominique Brown and Carrie Smith who answer the questions: 1) What is your idea of a good coach (financial or otherwise); and 2) What’s going on in your financial life right now? We’ll talk planning, money surprises and refinancing during this segment.

Find more information about our contributors here: Our Podcast Team

Thanks for listening, everyone!

Show Notes:

<> Open: Poverty in America, a discussion of Roshawn Watson’s Do Americans Know What Poverty Is?

<9:25> Fractional Cents w/ PK from DQYDJ.NET: The Cost of Leisure

<13:02> Let’s Give Something Away: Dave Ramsey’s classic book: The Total Money Makeover. Guess the name of the person in our soundclip. Send your answer to joe@thefreefinancialadvisor.com. One correct winner will win the book!

<18:53> Roundtable with Carrie Smith (CarefulCents.com), Dominique Brown (YourFinancesSimplified.com) and Len Penzo (Len Penzo dot Com).

Topic #1: Let’s talk financial coaches. What are the characteristics of a good coach. Are you a good coach?

Topic #2: What’s going on in your personal financial house?

<37:28> Jeff Rose from GoodFinancialCents.com interview: Life Insurance Movement

<50:10> End of Show. Movies!

OG: Caddyshack (again) (Thumb up)

Joe: Hope Springs (Thumb up), The Red Violin on Netflix (Thumb Way Up), headed to see Bourne Legacy tonight.

 

 

 

 

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Joe is a former financial advisor and media representative for American Express and Ameriprise. He was the “Money Man” at Detroit television WXYZ-TV, appearing twice weekly. He’s also appeared in Bride, Best Life, and Child magazines, the Los Angeles Times, Chicago Sun-Times, Detroit News and Baltimore Sun newspapers and numerous other media outlets.  Joe holds B.A Degrees from The Citadel and Michigan State University.

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5 Good Reasons to Hire a Financial Advisor and 2 Bad Ones

March 7, 2012 by Joe Saul-Sehy 15 Comments

The decision to hire an advisor to help with your financial planning isn’t a step I recommend lightly. I’ve been lucky: over 16 years of practice I was hired mostly for good reasons, although some others were….not so much.




Most people don’t need a financial advisor.

I’d tell individuals before they hired me that 90 percent of what I did, they could do themselves. My job was to guide them through sometimes stormy financial waters. As a bonus, I’d save them time and money by already knowing tricks they could probably find online. My staff would fill out annoying paperwork, and we had access to the best professionals in related fields. If you needed good advice, I either could provide it or knew how to find it fast.

In fact, at some points I was more of a concierge than a financial advisor….while most of my contacts were finance-related, I knew good babysitters and how to get a table at the top restaurants in town!

Here are five good reasons to hire a financial advisor:

 

1) You don’t have time.

I worked with many successful people who could have easily completed their plans alone. Most of my clients were engineers or executives working for Microsoft and Chrysler. These were intelligent people (often financially savvy, too).

They recognized that they needed a good plan drafted that they could examine and sign off on. They also needed someone to facilitate the legwork. It had to be someone knowledgeable who had their back. They needed to be able to review everything on a plane or between meetings.

 

2) You aren’t going to look at the stuff yourself.

Some of my clients were smart people, but in completely different areas. I had a client who was a very well-known artist. He needed to be forced to have consistent meetings about his meetings. Without me, he wouldn’t ever review how he was doing.

 

3) You don’t want a full financial education.

This type of client would sometimes frustrate me, but I had a large number of them as clients. Different from my artist and executive clients who were generally well educated, financially savvy people, these clients would just rather pay me to do it.

These clients were very happy to meet with me and talk financial planning. They’d listen and nod. I was pretty sure that they were getting the basics about what we were talking about. I tried to keep it entertaining, because I knew they hated being in my office.

Some were looking for the concierge treatment. For those people, we had client dinners, good coffee in the lobby and occasionally went to sporting events or concerts. They didn’t care about how the money was managed, as long as it was done with as little input on their end as possible.

These clients sometimes scared me, because if things went wrong, they had no idea why and didn’t want to learn from anyone but me. If this sounds like you, it’s better to hire a good advisor than wreck your financial ship because nobody’s at the helm.

 

4) You want a smart coach in your corner…

…to steer your plan in the right direction.

Some of my clients I knew were only going to be with me for a short time. My job was to educate them how to do it themselves. Some advisors won’t do this. I was happy to help. I liked talking strategy anyway, so if I had a willing client who was coachable, I’d take them through the process. As a bonus, I handled most of the annoying parts (like filling out Roth IRA forms) because they were paying me a fee. It wasn’t why they wanted me as an advisor, but it was definitely icing on the cake.

 

5) You want an ally to point out flaws in your strategy.

This was probably my least profitable type of relationship, but the one I appreciated the most. I had a few Do It Yourself investors who already had a complete strategy and just wanted to hire me for a couple of hours a year so they could tell me their strategy. I always had questions, then feedback, and nearly always, adjustments I’d recommend.

One client, Paul, said he specifically hired me because our philosophies clashed and he wanted to make sure his strategy looked good from the other point of view. He thought about his plan so often that he usually had a winning approach, even though I definitely would have rarely completed the plan the way he did.

 

 

There are a couple of important reasons NOT to hire an advisor:

 

1) You want someone to do it for you.

There’s a subtle difference between this person and the one in #3 above. The person in #3 was happy to meet with me every few months and talk about money. They wanted some small amount of “here’s why we’re doing this.”

Then there’s the person who just wanted “take this cash and make it work.”

I care about my former clients. I never can care about your money more than you do. I’m the money babysitter, you’re the parent. Act the part.

 

2) You want to day trade with a partner.

I had two clients who could never get through their skull that I was very happy that they day traded…but leave me out of it.

Initially we’d separate the portfolio into two sections: the “long term investment” portion, that I’d help steer, and then the “play money” portion that they’d day trade. I’d make clear that they were on their own with the play money account.

Invariably, these two clients would call in a panic and tell me that Jim Cramer had just said something on television and they needed to sell…but what did I think first? Should they sell? Should the go contrarian and buy more? Could I look up some charts for them? Maybe call a couple fund managers and ask their opinion off the record?

No thank you.

The math on my practice worked this way: 150 families, all of whom paid for and should demand my attention.

If I met with each client on average 3 times per year for an hour and a half, that meant 675 hours of meetings. Additionally, I’d call each client twice a year minimum and talk for 20 minutes (assuming there weren’t urgent financial events afoot or you hadn’t called me first). That was another 50 hours.

We won’t even approach all of the emails I sent or returned daily. Remember that I mentioned Microsoft employees? Those people love email.

After 10 hours of preparation time a week and 10 hours of strategy/internal and analysis time (not to mention any marketing we were doing), that left 30 hours for client meetings. After holidays, I worked about 48 weeks a year.

Where was I going to find time to day trade your account?

 

 

That’s my story. Now it’s your turn: have you interviewed advisors? How did the meeting go? What did you like/didn’t like about their approach?

 

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Joe is a former financial advisor and media representative for American Express and Ameriprise. He was the “Money Man” at Detroit television WXYZ-TV, appearing twice weekly. He’s also appeared in Bride, Best Life, and Child magazines, the Los Angeles Times, Chicago Sun-Times, Detroit News and Baltimore Sun newspapers and numerous other media outlets.  Joe holds B.A Degrees from The Citadel and Michigan State University.

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Filed Under: Hiring Advisors, money management, Planning, successful investing Tagged With: Certified Financial Planner, Financial adviser, Financial services, Planning

Find the Right Life Insurance Amount in 10 Minutes

November 23, 2011 by Joe Saul-Sehy 6 Comments

Another note from AverageJoe’s Thanksgiving visit to the in-laws:

Dear blog diary,

I’ve just trounced my mother-in-law at Scrabble again. It was absolute luck that the triple word score was open for my play of “austerity.” Of course, I had to hide a U and Y in my sleeve to place a nine-letter score. Luckily, we’ve both had enough “holiday cheer” that she didn’t notice. I know that to be a good son-in-law I should let her win, but not until I get a chance to play the word “bailout.”

Between all this winning and making Rice Krispies Turkey Pop Treats, I totally can’t be bothered to post anything today. Instead, I’ve opened the basement and let out The Other Guy, so named because he’s still a practicing financial advisor and doesn’t understand that being associated with me would totally be good for business. Whatever.

We’ll have a special piece tomorrow, but will completely understand if you don’t have time to read it. Safe travels, everyone!

Now, on to the Other Guy:

 

 

A couple of weeks ago, after being sick for about 10 days, I finally went to the doctor. Apparently, I have ‘walking pneumonia.’ I told the doctor that I don’t do any physical exercise, including walking, so I couldn’t possibly have “walking” anything.

In any event, I didn’t feel well. I began to contemplate my own mortality and then an idea popped in my mind: let’s spend a couple of days talking about life insurance! It’s obviously everyone’s favorite topic…and as a financial advisor who doesn’t like to be sold some insurance, I make the perfect teacher. As AverageJoe did with the “evaluate a mutual fund in 10 minutes” post, I’m going to break it down nice and easy for ya’.

Here goes:

Before anything, let’s not waste time evaluating coverages if we don’t have to. All too often, insurance sales professionals and financial advisors will just make the assumption that you need it and proceed to sell it to you. Here’s an easy way to determine if you need life insurance at all:

Questions to ask:

Does anyone rely on you for financial support, either right this moment or if you got hit by lightning?

If you’re single and/or have no dependents, there’s almost a zero point zero percent chance that you need life insurance. I might be convinced that a small group policy so that someone can bury you is adequate. If you have charitable intentions, there are insurance strategies that work really well….but that’s all. Nothing more.

Don’t let an insurance salesman tell you otherwise.

For those of you who have people relying on you for financial support here’s an easy way to calculate how much you need. Is this the best way? Nope. However, once we walk through these steps you’ll be on your way to making a good insurance decision.

Every life insurance discussion contains assumptions. You’ll need to make some to decide what amount is right for you. At the least, you’ll need to know where assumptions have been made, so you’re able to change directions if you need to.

Here are a few assumptions:

If married, I usually assume with clients that they’ll want the mortgage paid off when they die. Even if both spouses have a full time job and can still afford the house, I’ve seen too many people “go off the deep end” when their spouse dies to determine whether everything will remain stable at work and home. I can understand leaving this out, but at the least I’d evaluate your insurance cost with and without this cost before deciding to drop it.

You may find the additional cost is worth the pain.

If you have children, I assume you’ll want them to go to college, and you’ll want it paid for . Maybe not Harvard or Yale, but you want them to have some level of in-state public university education. Since college costs increase 8-10 percent per year on average, this is one of the most expensive budget items a family can face.

Let’s have the discussion here that we’ll have in client meetings: Maybe you paid for your own college expenses. Evaluate your children and savings and not your personal situation when you went to school. With costs rising quickly, do you want them to have this burden?

Here’s how much life insurance you’ll need…plus or minus the assumptions above plus a few more below.

Add together all of your debts, including your mortgage: $__________________

I’ve done the math on an average in-state tuition in the chart below. Add in these costs: $__________________

Next, we’re going to give your family basic income to live on. Here are where we need to make some large assumptions. Take your annual post tax (take home) income and multiply by 80%. This assumes that your family will live on 80 percent of your current salary if you’ve died. There are better ways to do this. Instead, determine what percent your family would need in the event of your death and use that percentage.

Divide this amount by .05. This means that you’ll need to peel off 5 percent to live on. This single number creates (again) huge assumptions. The biggest? It’s that you’ll continue to live on this income stream even as inflation skyrockets. Once again, we’re trying to get in the ballpark, so if you’re trying to do this the “quick and dirty” way, we’ll be close, but there are better ways.

Place your answer here: $__________________

Add up these 3 lines, that’s how much you need.
$__________________

Now, often, I’ve seen insurance salespeople stop at this point. Not good. Remember, you have some current savings! The goal of insurance in most situations is to replace income that you don’t yet have.

Subtract the amount of money you already have saved from the final number.

$__________________
Buy the difference.

Education Chart

Age$ needed todayAge$ needed today
0$78,855.8711$64,200.32
1$77,395.5712$63,011.43
2$75,962.3213$61,844.55
3$74,555.6114$60,699.28
4$73,174.9515$59,575.22
5$71,819.8616$58,471.98
6$70,489.8617$57,389.16
7$69,184.5018$56,326.40
8$67,903.3019$34,071.75
9$66,645.8320$23,139.91
10$65,411.6521$11,792.45

Later, we’ll have a discussion on the various types of insurance you should consider and the #1 question you should ask before you buy anything from any insurance sales person.

As always, this exercise is more about understanding the variables that go into making a good decision as much as it is about the final product. Plug in your own unique situation and evaluate many types of coverage thoroughly before buying life insurance.

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Joe Saul-Sehy

Joe is a former financial advisor and media representative for American Express and Ameriprise. He was the “Money Man” at Detroit television WXYZ-TV, appearing twice weekly. He’s also appeared in Bride, Best Life, and Child magazines, the Los Angeles Times, Chicago Sun-Times, Detroit News and Baltimore Sun newspapers and numerous other media outlets.  Joe holds B.A Degrees from The Citadel and Michigan State University.

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